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  1. Carrie B says

    I saw that article yesterday & was wondering if you had seen it. Funny how my mind always goes to you whenever I see anything dairy related, probably cause I know nothing about dairy since I’m a pig girl. But I do know enough about cows to know that de-horning is good for the herd. Such a waste though, I sure DID love Ryan. Not so much anymore.

  2. J. Rhoades says

    I used to have a super big crush on him until a couple years ago when I learned about his PETA stance – it was a sad day but not surprising.

    Thankfully I can be happy in the fact that my first true movie star love Matthew McConaughey (weird love I know, but I can’t help it #sorryi’mnotsorry) is the voice of “Beef, it’s what’s for dinner”. Small victories.

      • J. Rhoades says

        He is kinda crazy but you have to admit he was *is* pretty good looking. He’s the only celebrity I ever really, really crushed on – although I haven’t the faintest reason why. But that sexy voice in the beef ads… stick a fork in me because I’m done. And thank you for reminding me of those ads, my day is now complete.

  3. Kelly M. Rivard (@KMRivard) says

    Can I tag a note on here?

    Dear Mr. Gosling,

    I DO watch your movies. (Despite a sometimes-prickly exterior, I am a hopeless romantic.) And I do love your face. And your acting abilities. And your adorable affinity for penguins. And your meme. And I believe in good animal care, too. I want our livestock to lead good lives, with as little pain or fear as possible. If you’ve ever seen what it looks like when un-maintained horns get int the way on a dairy, it isn’t pretty. And since cows are social animals with hierarchies and pecking orders, things can get messy. Removing horns is not only a safety precaution for farmers, but also reduces the risk of injury in the hormonal social setting that is a dairy herd.

    If you came to Kansas City, we could definitely talk more over a few drinks. I have a few friends with dairies in the area, we could even take a trek out and visit them. Or, if you’re more into the California scene, I have plenty of friends who dairy out there, too. There’s lots of options if you want to see conscientious animal care first-hand! (Obviously, you coming to KC would be my first choice.)

    Besides, PeTA is actually responsible for the unapologetic death of thousands of healthy animals each year because of their stance on euthanasia. If you want to protect animals, I’d say you should withdraw your support from PeTA and find local or regional shelters or rescue organizations to work with. PeTA is one of the biggest pro-euthanasia organizations out there — as in, kill now, don’t bother asking questions later.

    If we want to talk animal welfare, farmers and ranchers are leaps and bounds ahead of any animals rights organization you might think of!

    Love — er, I mean, Sincerely,

    – Kelly M. Rivard

  4. Elinor says

    I didn’t know about Ryan Gosling’s PETA stance until I saw this. I am really disappointed because he is one of the few celebrities I actually think is attractive!

    It’s too bad he has chosen to associate with PETA, but if he takes the time to learn a bit about dehorning (like this post here 🙂 ) he will surely see that we are doing the best for our animals.

  5. megfoster727 says

    This is a great post! I was so disappointed to read that Ryan Gosling joined the PETA bandwagon. Like Kelly I love his face and his movies and his memes, but especially his face. He should keep to what he knows best acting unless he is going to offer a valid long-term solution to dehorning, then we can talk.

  6. Ryan Goodman says

    Great post here Carrie! When I first read the supposed letter, I figured it’s more likely that PETA wrote the letter than Ryan Gosling. Wonder if he and numerous other celebrities realize they are supporting an organization accused of cruelty described in this link? – http://imgur.com/gallery/q5awp

  7. Heather Gruber says

    Obviously the ” good looks” genetics are stronger than the ” common sense” genetics. Good job Carrie!

  8. Sarah says

    Awesome Letter as a beef and dairy farmer I agree with you its a rotten job, what these city folk don’t understand is alot of us farmer’s actually freeze the horn site and tissue around it, therefore trying to make it as painless as possible. City folk forget that they neuter and spay cats as a kindness to their kitties and forget that it too is a painful, rotten job! But one that is necessary for the betterment of the animals welfare much like dehorning is. Funny how we can’t co-relate all these things……..

    • Kelly M. Rivard (@KMRivard) says

      I got my cat neutered this week.

      Part of me feels like castration would have been better. Instead of a day or two of discomfort, he’s been recovering from anesthesia and nursing multiple wounds. I just…the “humane” way according to society isn’t always the least-stressful version, I feel like.

      • Dr. Marybeth Feutz says

        Kelly – As a vet, I would like to take a minute to respond to your comment. By definition, neutering and castration are the same procedure (although neutering can also be applied to spaying a female). Yes, the techniques and procedures used in “companion animals” are different from those used in farm animals. This is largely due to the way that society views dogs, cats, and horses compared to cattle and other farm animals. The benefit of using general anesthesia in our pets is that the surgery is painless, and typically recovery from anesthesia only takes a few hours before the animal is back to feeling itself. The reason your cat has open wounds after his castration is a medical one – cats (and horses, cattle, and pigs) can develop a lot of painful swelling if the surgery sites are not left open for drainage. (He would still have these wounds if the procedure was done without anesthesia.) Please feel free to contact me (or call your veterinarian) if you have any more questions.

  9. Karen Larson. says

    We can only hope he sees this and can learn. You did a superb job of responding.

  10. Ann says

    I greatly appreciate your humorous take on the issue. I also appreciate how you have shared the rationale in a very relatable way. As a former high school agriculture teacher, I had to dehorn students’ projects. I too HATED it. In fact, I often traded the job to another ag teacher in our program in return for a task he viewed as unpleasant. He had way more experience, having grown up on a dairy, and could perform the practice quickly and accurately. Dehorning was an acceptable practice in our program because of the safety and benefits you outlined soo well. I was always careful to make sure my students understood the rationale as well.

    I wonder though, if Mr. Gosling or another skeptic were to read the piece… if they would appreciate the sarcastic tone. Did you really write this for him? Do you feel it will change the minds of others who think like him (or at least expand their perspectives)? I put this out there because I am currently speaking with my Ag Comm class about social media and the responsibility they bear in communicating agriculture’s message. We talked about how to welcome and support good, productive conversation. We spoke about the trust continuum; how we need to post content for the consumption of skeptics, straddlers and sympathizers… since we gain little ground posting for screamers (PETA) and supporters (Ag Industry). How would you characterize this piece? To what audience did you write? I plan to share this post with my class as a springboard to discussing how we deal with the reality and repercussions of our social media presence.

    Thanks so much for entertaining my questions. I appreciate all you do!

    • dairycarrie says

      Hi Ann,
      I wrote these piece with a humorous tone because that’s the way I take on most issues. I could be more polished but that’s not my authentic voice and I feel people can see right through those types of posts. I may not always say the exact right thing but I am 100% authentic to myself. That has been pretty successful for me so far so I don’t see why I should change it. There are a lot of blogs out there that people can read. If they all sound the same what makes one blog stand out amongst the others? I would urge your students to speak with knowledge in their own voice rather than conform to a pattern of how to tell their story.

      • cheyl says

        I’m not sure I would call it sarcasm anyway. More like “friendly banter.” A light-hearted tone to take the edge off. Just my opinion. Fact is, I think you did an awesome job. I certainly couldn’t have said it better myself.

    • dairycarrie says

      I should also add that I take my responsibility as an agvicate seriously. I hope your comment wasn’t insinuating that this post is an example of what not to do. If you would like to discuss this idea further feel free to contact me at the email address listed in the my “about” section.

    • Ryan Goodman says

      Ann, as a friend of Carrie’s, I’d like to add that she uses a writing style that reflects her personality, and that is what works for her. When bloggers begin to be polished, they start to sound more like journalists, and that’s not what works best in social media. Her writing style connects with her audience, sets her apart from others, and gets her message across. There are many ways to approach the issues, and always room for improvement, but that’s what makes having several blogger viewpoints a great asset.

      • Ann says

        I completely understand! We spoke at length today about how they must share THEIR story, be themselves, and show they care. However, the topic of sarcasm came up as a question in the group. With time and mentoring, I am confident these young professionals will be effective at using social media to share agriculture. Just wanted to get her take.

        By the way, we also look at your blog too! I have used it as an example in my Agricultural Instructional Technology course and this Ag Comm class. I greatly appreciate the hard work and willingness to risk of agricultural advocates like yourselves. Thanks!

  11. The Queen says

    Reblogged this on Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Country Life and commented:
    So…another Hollyweird expert needs to express his dismay…and ignorance, I might add…about farmers, cows (which made both me and Big Boss laugh…they’re cattle folks. Cattle.) Do all of these people HAVE to have a cause? Do they ALL have the urgent need to spout off about “things” with no prior knowledge/information/research? I doubt Mr. Gosling has the foggiest idea on which end of a “cow” he might horns, much less how to care for a “cow” in a humane way. Whatever that might be. Dairy Carrie puts it to him in a humane way. She could’ve really taken him down, but she was ever so nice. Great job Carrie! Right on. Right on. 🙂

  12. Theresa maurice says

    Oh Carrie! Your response was educational, ethical, reasonable to the ‘common man’. If all meat and dairy was/were raised as most is here in VT, we could create a healthier nation, in mind and body. Keep up the good work.

  13. Payree Short says

    Dairy Carrie,
    Ahem, I am too old to really know or care about Ryan Gosling, cute or not….so with that being said, it is PETA that bothers me the most about this whole episode and how they distort the facts to the younger generation by using “sexy” people like Mr Gosling to promote their cause. You did an excellent job with discussing the genetics as I am a retired science teacher.
    Now onto better “fodder”… Matthew McC and his beef ads…well being an Angus rancher. . .Beef, you bet it’s what for dinner. Sam had a good thing going to. In my opinion, Sam, indeed, is a real man…not just another pretty face. Hang in there Dairy Carrie! You’re doing a great job agvocating for all of us……

  14. Bryan Quanbury says

    Carrie Chestnut Mess has a great response. It is interesting that ,any dairy farmers do not that polled is a dominant gene or even that Polled bulls exist. I am co-owner of DairyBullsOnline and we are sourcing and encouraging multiple lines of polled addressing Carries concern for inbreeding. In fact Polled could be considered outcross to the mainstream genetics in use today. Carrie outlines proper techniques in this letter and has introduced polled genetics. If farmers are proactive what would PETA have to complain about?

  15. Mark Rodgers says

    As a dairy farmer, breeder of polled animals for 40 years and advocate of DairyBullsOnline, I appreciate Carries response, even if the facts of polled are not completely understood by most. Use a homozygous polled bull and ALL the calves will be polled. Use a heterozygous bull and 50% are polled. Homozygous polled cows have only polled calves. NMPF and the dairy industry should have taken the lead on the polled issue but they are asleep at the wheel or PETA would have had nothing for Mr Gosling do with his spare time. Fortunately polled genetics are being endorsed, promoted, supported, expanded, elevated, and improved at an exponential rate by more and more dairy producers every day. And polled is endorsed by the American Veterinary Medical Association!

  16. Brandi says

    Thank You Dairy Carrie!!! As I got in my car to go to lunch today I heard Ryan Seacrest on the radio praising Ryan Gosling over his letter to the National Milk Producers Federation. This sent my blood boiling! As a former Dairy Farmer and now an employee of the agribusiness industry I take great offense to this letter. I applaud you for you post! Thank you!

  17. Jillaroo Jess says

    Just to join the herd of commenters (herd. get it? boom). This is great! It relates to so many other things to do with livestock management. Branding cattle, mulesing sheep – it’s done for their own good. Just like how we go to the doctors to have bits removed or to be needled etc. Keep up the good work!

  18. Pat says

    Every winter on Saturdays I would go with my Dad and brother to de-horn cattle. We went from farm to farm doing the deed. It was damn hard, dirty, dangerous work that was essential.

    One fall day the neighbors came over and asked for some help. They had bought some 30 head of cattle to supplement their herd. After the cows arrived they broke through the fence and got into their woods and marsh. The boys tried for 3 days to get the animals out. We had horses so we saddled up and rode over. Twenty five acres of trees and marsh. After hours of adventures we were able to get the critters rounded up and out. That is all but two. They got into a fight. One was ripped from front shoulder to hip and the other got the horn hooked in the ribs of the other, One died from the wound and the other drowned in the mud.

    Is de-horning nice? No. Is it needed? Yes. I still have the shears and ropes we used. Will I go back in the de-horning business? No. One of the benifits of being 60 is not having to do such things anymore. Although if one of these fools who wouldn’t know a cow if she stood on them neededto be de-horned. I’m your guy.

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