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  1. bongoangola says

    I am so glad that they are offering an alternative to eliminating antibiotics that are used to treat disease. This continues to be my greatest critique of “Organic” animal agriculture. We need to be out in front on marketing that meets consumer needs while educating them on the use of antibiotics. The same person who wants to eliminate antibiotics from production of the food they eat may gladly go to the doctor and pretty much demand antibiotics for the child’s ear ache.

    • Steve B. says

      They’ll give them something else harmful. All they got to do is just open the damn houses on each end in the morning maybe have a corral about the size of half an acre and let them get out and they’ll probably be fine. I would encourage people to get small chickens and turkeys in the Spring and harvest them in the Fall for yourself. I don’t trust them, because they’ll give them something and it will be more harmful than the other stuff. I mean we find out every month they are putting in shoe rubber or sawdust or something into food that might not be harmful, but it’s just junk. Like sawdust would never hurt you, but devoid of nutrition.

  2. edwin says

    Very nice post. We receive a Honeysuckle turkey each year and it is wonderful. Thank you for sharing this information.

  3. Lizbeth says

    Thanks for the informative post. I had no idea they could house 35,000 young turkeys in one barn! I’m glad these changes are happening. Given that the growth promoting antibiotics only speed the process by days, it definitely doesn’t seem worth the risk to use them. How long does it take a turkey to be ready for slaughter? Did you get any photos of the adult turkeys?

      • Lizbeth says

        Wow! I didn’t know they matured so fast. So, the 15 lb turkey on my table at Thanksgiving will probably be 3 months old?

        • dairycarrie says

          Lizbeth, on my tour they said that the whole birds that we have at Thanksgiving are closer to 6mo old. The birds grown for other uses, breasts and the like are 13 weeks ago at slaughter weight.

        • Mike Langmo says

          I grow turkeys in Minnesota. Turkeys are marketed before 6 months. Heavy tom turkeys are marketed between 20 and 21 weeks. It takes too much feed and costs too much to market at 24 weeks. You have to remember if the turkey’s weight in the grocery store is 15 lbs, that bird would weigh between 18 and 19 lbs. live. A turkey weighing 24 lbs. net weighed around 30 lbs. live which probably would be considered a consumer tom marketed around 15 weeks of age. Heavy hens are marketed around 18 weeks and can average between 22 to 24 lbs. live, figure 80 % yield ( net weight).

        • dairycarrie says

          I don’t doubt you Mike. I’m just sharing what I was told on my tour. Maybe the difference in time is due to different bird genetics, temperature or goal weights for the different brands.

        • Mike Langmo says

          That is possible if those turkeys they raise are more of a heritage turkey, which would take longer to mature than the Nicholas or Hybrid turkeys that are conventionally raised. The turkeys that are raised by contract growers like myself and on most company farms would either be Nicholas or Hybrid because we can turn our facilities in a shorter period of time and thereby increase the pounds produced per year. Commercial growers can not afford to lenthen the time to market as feed costs are pretty high and we need to produce as many pounds as we can at the most economical cost in order to hold our money together.

        • Mike Langmo says

          As I was washing barn this afternoon, I realized the error of my ways. They are raising these birds without the benefit of growth promoting additives, so hence the longer it takes to produce this bird. Someone made the comment that “if it only takes a few more days, then it is worth it”, however it takes about 4 weeks longer to produce a bird that is not as large. We have made great strides in producing larger birds with less inputs through breeding and good nutrition and the growth promotion additives have helped make that happen.

        • Lizbeth says

          Mike-my statement that it is worth it because it only changes the process by days was based on what Carrie was told on her tour (quoted below). Is this not true?

          “I assumed that this new policy that Cargill was enacting would result in a price hike for customers at the grocery store so I asked just how many more days it would take for turkeys to reach slaughter weight without the use of drugs. Although I didn’t get a specific answer, it sounds like it is a minimal amount of extra time, we were talking days, not weeks.”

        • Mike Langmo says

          When I think of a “few days longer” to market in my world of raising turkeys, that would mean 7 days or less, which could be acceptable. Conventionally raised turkeys with growth promotants in the feed generally market in 20-21 weeks. If you are raising tom turkeys, they will gain .33 lbs. per day, but the amount of feed consumed in the last 2 weeks prior to market is a lot.Adding 3 more weeks means a substantial increase in feed consumed versus little weight gain. I don’t understand how Cargill can lengthen the time it takes to get the turkeys to their target weight whatever that is and not charge more money in the store unless they are shifting the cost of this product to another area. Seventy per cent of the cost of raising turkeys is feed. I do understand why they would want to market turkeys without growth promoting antibiotics and I think it is a good idea, but like a lot of ideas presented recently, it has to add to the cost of production not to mention the inefficiencies in feed utilization and reduction in through put because you are tying up the building for such a long period of time

  4. Kimberly Roy says

    Hi DairyCarrie, I enjoyed reading your blog and am grateful for the work you do to bring such important information to the public. I’m concerned about the use of arsenic containing drugs used in the animal feed for these turkeys and am wondering if you have any information on whether or not ShadyBrook Farms turkeys are fed with food containing any such ingredients. Here is a quote from the NY Times “The compounds — roxarsone, carbarsone and arsanilic acid — have been used in 101 drugs added to feed for chickens, turkeys and pigs to prevent disease, increase feed efficiency and promote growth, according to the Center for Food Safety” The article later states that nitarsone is used with Turkeys and it appears the jury is still out on this one. The reason i’m asking is because my husband is suffering severely from what appears to be arsenic poisoning after eating a chicken we recently purchased. After eating the meat we boiled it down and made chicken soup. He has a methylation problem with his liver which does not metabolize drugs as efficiently as it should and he is riddled in severe pain with neuropathy and muscle pain. He can hardly stand. After doing research I discovered that there has been found arsenic in chicken AND though the FDA says it has banned the sale of these drugs some farmers stockpile their supply. I have also read that the FDA finds that the levels are so low that it isn’t harmful….maybe not for the average person. I cannot find any other reason why after eating a pot of chicken soup my husband would be suffering so badly. The label said “no antibiotics ever” and I suspect that they have arsenic drugs added to the feed to replace the use of antibiotics. I just wanted to know if you had any information on such practices before I cook up the shadybrook farms turkey in the fridge for chili. I am afraid to use any meat now and don’t think I can return it. Thanks!

    Kim

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/02/business/fda-bans-three-arsenic-drugs-used-in-poultry-and-pig-feeds.html?_r=0

    • dairycarrie says

      Hey Kimberly,
      As I am not a poultry farmer I can’t really speak to your comment very well but I think there may be some information you’re missing. At the bottom of this post I linked to the blog of a turkey producer, I think she has more information on what you want to know about and would be a better source of information.

    • Mike Langmo says

      All drugs used for turkeys and chickens have specific withdrawal periods prior to marketing that are strictly adhered to. Usually two weeks prior to slaughter, a few animals are euthanized and the fat from the abdominal area is harvested and sent to a laboratory to check for any residues such as animal drugs to make sure they are within tolerances specified by FDA. If the results indicate higher than the specified tolerances, said poultry would not be sent to slaughter until another test would be done to indicate that the levels, if present, would be in a safe range. We are talking parts per billion which would be negligible. If a poultry producer sent a flock to market without the proper testing, he would potentially not get paid for said flock. The risk is too great for us to do that as we have worked too long and too hard not to get paid. Any antibiotic fed to poultry can be effectively removed from poultry within 2-5 days and so the feed fed the last week before market is a plain feed that flushes any drug out of the birds system. The chances of eating poultry meat and getting a large dose of any kind of drug that may cause illness is very remote. The arsenical drugs listed are generally not used on a regular basis and would only be used under a veterinarians’ care and supervision and strict withdrawals times would be adhered to. Oftentimes these particular drugs might be used early in an animals life and by the time the bird goes to market, there would be no evidence of use of that particular drug. You should see if you can contact Dr. Richard Raymond and ask him about drug residues in poultry. He is a human medicine doctor that has worked in the livestock industry.

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